From owner-tendra-docs Fri Aug 30 23:48:27 2002 Received: from tendra.stanford.edu (localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7V6mRXh009236 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7V6mRhN009235 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from jolly.drunkmonk.net (root@jolly.drunkmonk.net [66.37.140.163]) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7V6mRXh009230 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from verm@jolly.drunkmonk.net) Received: from jolly.drunkmonk.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jolly.drunkmonk.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7V6mQEG007650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from verm@jolly.drunkmonk.net) Received: (from verm@localhost) by jolly.drunkmonk.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Submit) id g7V6mQQF007649 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:48:26 -0600 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: testing Message-ID: <20020831064826.GA7597@drunkmonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk this is a test From owner-tendra-docs Sat Aug 31 00:42:47 2002 Received: from tendra.stanford.edu (localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7V7glXh009624 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7V7gkJu009623 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from jolly.drunkmonk.net (root@jolly.drunkmonk.net [66.37.140.163]) by tendra.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7V7gkXh009618 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from verm@jolly.drunkmonk.net) Received: from jolly.drunkmonk.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jolly.drunkmonk.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7V7gYEG008918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from verm@jolly.drunkmonk.net) Received: (from verm@localhost) by jolly.drunkmonk.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Submit) id g7V7gYd7008917 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:42:34 -0600 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: testing Message-ID: <20020831074234.GA8865@drunkmonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-tendra-bugs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk one last test. From owner-tendra-docs Mon Nov 11 22:29:22 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC6TMkZ070015 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC6TMWh070014 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC6TMkZ070009 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC6TMwk070008 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Just a quick check to see if we have any dsssl / sgml people in the audiance? :) Infact, anyone who's willing to helpout with the documentation would be fantastic, there are quite a few things that need to be done, new docs, and working with the old documentation. So if anyone is out there, speak up! :) Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Mon Nov 11 22:50:49 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC6omkZ070226 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC6omdA070223 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC6olkZ070215 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DE4F45; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:50:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:50:53 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: Amar Takhar Cc: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021112065053.GR2645@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk -On [20021112 07:48], Amar Takhar (verm@tendra.org) wrote: >Just a quick check to see if we have any dsssl / sgml people in the >audiance? :) You know I also meddle with this stuff. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ The Eyes of Truth are always watching you... From owner-tendra-docs Mon Nov 11 23:48:39 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC7mdkZ070592 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC7md4v070591 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b814ca.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.20.202]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC7mbkZ070586 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:48:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id 2202C5DA1; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id AC17BF889 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:50:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:50:04 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Anyone out there? In-Reply-To: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hello, On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Amar Takhar wrote: > Just a quick check to see if we have any dsssl / sgml people in the > audiance? :) I have spent some months experimenting with DocBook XML v4.2CR1 and the various SGML tools. I have tried Jade/Openjade + Jadetex and some XSLT processors combined with fotex/passivetex. Being used to the quality achievable with LaTeX, the results appeared of course somewhat discouraging to me. But the most significant technical annoyance was that these approaches tend to produce almost unlimited input lines for TeXs limited input line buffer. Try to process The Definitive Guide for example :-( This can be major handicap for people who cannot gain the privileges to change teTeX's `texmf.cnf'. If you use only a small subset of DocBook features (which is common), you might want to try David Carlisle's "xmltex" package and provide the corresponding LaTeX constructs by hand. Thus you have full access to all LaTeX features and can tweak the typesetting to the desired appearance and quality. Furthermore, you don't need any other tools besides TeX/LaTeX for that, and there are no input line buffer overflows, because TeX processes the XML sources directly. This would be ideal for other "make" users out there. Links: http://www.dcarlisle.demon.co.uk/xmltex/manual.html http://www.gutenberg.eu.org/pub/GUTenberg/publicationsPDF/35-carlisle.pdf Regards, Christian Cornelssen From owner-tendra-docs Tue Nov 12 00:24:17 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC8OHkZ070961 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC8OHvQ070960 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC8OHkZ070955 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC8OHwo070954 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:24:17 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021112082417.GA70915@tendra.org> Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org References: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> <20021112065053.GR2645@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021112065053.GR2645@nexus.ninth-circle.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On 2002-11-12 07:50 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > > You know I also meddle with this stuff. :) I'll have to remember that ;) Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Tue Nov 12 00:28:33 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC8SXkZ071007 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC8SXmo071006 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC8SXkZ071001 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC8SXV8071000 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:28:33 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021112082833.GB70915@tendra.org> Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org References: <20021112062922.GA69970@tendra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On 2002-11-12 08:50 +0100, Christian Cornelssen wrote: > > I have spent some months experimenting with DocBook XML v4.2CR1 and > the various SGML tools. I have tried Jade/Openjade + Jadetex and some > XSLT processors combined with fotex/passivetex. Being used to the > quality achievable with LaTeX, the results appeared of course somewhat > discouraging to me. Well, the results in our PDF's for example speak for themselves, i think, we're using dsssl (nwalsh's stylesheets) / openjade / pdftex. > But the most significant technical annoyance was that these approaches > tend to produce almost unlimited input lines for TeXs limited input > line buffer. Try to process The Definitive Guide for example :-( > This can be major handicap for people who cannot gain the privileges > to change teTeX's `texmf.cnf'. Well, a bit of local config twiddling can easily fix that :). Most of the time it's a misplaced { or } that is making tex suckup its resources. > If you use only a small subset of DocBook features (which is common), > you might want to try David Carlisle's "xmltex" package and provide > the corresponding LaTeX constructs by hand. Thus you have full access > to all LaTeX features and can tweak the typesetting to the desired > appearance and quality. Furthermore, you don't need any other tools > besides TeX/LaTeX for that, and there are no input line buffer > overflows, because TeX processes the XML sources directly. This would > be ideal for other "make" users out there. Well, we've already got an excellent system (borrowed in part from the FreeBSD doc proj.). I'm not concerned with the make compatability, if someone wants to helpout with the docs, they'll get the proper packages installed in order to do it. In *any* situation it is impossible to please everyone. I'm far more comfortable sticking with the good ol tried-n-true method :) Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Tue Nov 12 01:47:34 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC9lYkZ071747 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC9lXEC071746 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b81f0a.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.31.10]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC9lVkZ071741 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id 0EB925DA1; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:46:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 324BAF889 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:46:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:46:34 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Anyone out there? In-Reply-To: <20021112082833.GB70915@tendra.org> Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hello, On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Amar Takhar wrote: > On 2002-11-12 08:50 +0100, Christian Cornelssen wrote: > > > > I have spent some months experimenting with DocBook XML v4.2CR1 and > > the various SGML tools. I have tried Jade/Openjade + Jadetex and some > > XSLT processors combined with fotex/passivetex. Being used to the > > quality achievable with LaTeX, the results appeared of course somewhat > > discouraging to me. > > Well, the results in our PDF's for example speak for themselves, i think, we're > using dsssl (nwalsh's stylesheets) / openjade / pdftex. Looks like that. N. Walsh's DocBook DSSSL stylesheets have spacing problems. Anyway, they are the best free stylesheets available for print formatting, so I'll stop criticizing :-) More concretely, which doc tasks would you like to schedule? Regards, Christian Cornelssen From owner-tendra-docs Wed Nov 13 01:05:24 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD95OkZ084718 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD95OWo084717 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b81f35.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.31.53]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD95MkZ084712 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id DEEB65DA1; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:06:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 65401F889 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:06:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:06:40 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Anyone out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hi, sorry for my ungracious comment on the PDFs, of course I appreciate the work though :-) I'll re-install Jade and the DSSSL stuff and try to process the TenDRA docs. Regards, Christian Cornelssen From owner-tendra-docs Wed Nov 13 02:05:32 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADA5WkZ085227 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:05:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gADA5WsX085226 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:05:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADA5VkZ085221 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:05:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 62CE050D; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:05:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:05:41 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021113100541.GC8580@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk -On [20021113 10:11], Christian Cornelssen (ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: >sorry for my ungracious comment on the PDFs, of course I appreciate >the work though :-) Oh, don't worry. You'll find that the bunch of us are very hard to anger at all. We've been through a lot of projects already, and although we might discuss things sometimes strongly it is merely because we like to hash out all the pros and cons of an issue. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. - Chinese Proverb From owner-tendra-docs Wed Nov 13 02:24:03 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADAO3kZ085374 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:24:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gADAO3fA085373 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:24:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b81f39.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.31.57]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADAO1kZ085365 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:24:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id 577E75DA1; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:25:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 1C403F889 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:25:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:25:10 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Anyone out there? In-Reply-To: <20021113100541.GC8580@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hello, On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > Oh, don't worry. You'll find that the bunch of us are very hard to > anger at all. We've been through a lot of projects already, and > although we might discuss things sometimes strongly it is merely because > we like to hash out all the pros and cons of an issue. Fine :-) It was just that Amar fell into sudden silence... (And I know that authoring in SGML, and XML in particular, can be quite exhausting, and I wouldn't want such work to be dishonored.) After all, you'd like to have some things done, and I'd like to know which ones. I think that's what this thread is about. Regards, Christian Cornelssen From owner-tendra-docs Wed Nov 13 04:27:41 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADCRfkZ086571 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gADCRfMu086570 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADCRdkZ086565 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03D3C528; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:48 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021113122748.GD8580@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: <20021113100541.GC8580@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk -On [20021113 13:06], Christian Cornelssen (ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: >Fine :-) It was just that Amar fell into sudden silence... Nah, he just has weird habits of when he's awake and such. :) >After all, you'd like to have some things done, and I'd like to know >which ones. I think that's what this thread is about. See: http://www.tendra.org/tasks/ for a list of stuff we still need to do... -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ Hope and fear cannot alter the seasons... From owner-tendra-docs Wed Nov 13 06:08:24 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADE8OkZ087510 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gADE8OeN087509 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADE8OkZ087504 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gADE8OnB087503 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:24 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Message-ID: <20021113140824.GB87357@tendra.org> Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org References: <20021113100541.GC8580@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On 2002-11-13 11:25 +0100, Christian Cornelssen wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > > > Oh, don't worry. You'll find that the bunch of us are very hard to > > anger at all. We've been through a lot of projects already, and > > although we might discuss things sometimes strongly it is merely because > > we like to hash out all the pros and cons of an issue. > > Fine :-) It was just that Amar fell into sudden silence... > (And I know that authoring in SGML, and XML in particular, can be > quite exhausting, and I wouldn't want such work to be dishonored.) OH, no worries :) you were just getting your 2 cents in, and as Jeroen wrote we like to discuss things, the world strongly is a great word, you should see us when we really get going. Of course none of it is taken to heart, we all can be very opinionated at times, and dammit, i'm always right! :) > After all, you'd like to have some things done, and I'd like to know > which ones. I think that's what this thread is about. Well, our goal is to be *well* documented, there are some documents that need writing which i will add to the task list at some point. The biggest one (i think) for the moment is to get a nice FAQ going. As soon as the new build system can install TenDRA i'm going to be working on a comprehensive INSTALL document for every OS that TenDRA installs on. Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Thu Nov 14 21:06:58 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF56vkZ003517 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF56v45003516 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b814f6.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.20.246]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF56rkZ003511 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:06:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id DA6A55DA1; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:07:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 5D36CF90C for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:07:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:07:20 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: doc/en/faq Makefile patches Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="8323584-46118104-1037336480=:7291" Content-ID: Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --8323584-46118104-1037336480=:7291 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Hello, I have tried to get the FAQ in doc/en/faq checked ("pmake lint") and converted to HTML ("pmake"), using several different setups: one for Jade (default), one for OpenJade (OPENJADE=yes), and two for xsltproc (STYLESHEET_TYPE=xsl), being fed with the output of the *sx converter of Jade or OpenJade. Apart from doing lots of variable settings in the "pmake" command line (my installation is different from Amar's), I had to tweak TenDRA's files a little. See the attached diff for details. * doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk: - For some unknown reason, my pmake always had OPENJADE defined(), therefore I had to turn the defined() test into a string match. If you cannot reproduce that, simply discard the diff's first hunk. - DOCBOOKCATALOG must always point to the DocBook SGML catalog, regardless of STYLESHEET_TYPE. This is because in both cases an SGML tool is used for parsing the source (either *jade or *sx). - The interpolation of "-c"s into the CATALOGS argument list happens later than before. This allows the user to simply clear individual *CATALOG variables if the SGML tools need not be told about them (e.g. because the user has defined a suitable SGML_CATALOG_FILES variable in the environment). - if CANONICALOBJDIR is unset, no -D option will be given to the SGML tools any more. Otherwise wrong command lines would result. - An ${SX} command has been rewritten. It uses ${CATALOGS} now, and its error output is filtered with a pipe instead of being dumped into a temporary file and being postprocessed from there. Furthermore, the SYSTEM specifier of the resulting XML DOCTYPE is now configurable with DOCBOOKX_DTD. * doc/share/xsl/freebsd.xsl: - Indeed! I had to change the system specifier. It's now a valid http:, and my system XML catalogs, as set up automatically by Daniel Veillard's famous "buildDocBookCatalog" script, happily translate that into the filename of my local copy. This is a portable, effective, representative example of how catalogs should work. Additional notes (without patch): * doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk: - The files specified in the XSLHTML* variables did not exist. I used XSLHTML=${DOC_PREFIX}/share/xsl/freebsd.xsl instead, but perhaps you want to add the missing files. - My ${TIDY} didn't understand the "-preserve" option in ${TIDYOPTS}. Did you mean "--preserve"? 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Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:47:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF9l914005302 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:47:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF9l8kZ005297 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF9l8hK005296 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:47:08 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: doc/en/faq Makefile patches Message-ID: <20021115094708.GA5148@tendra.org> Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On 2002-11-15 06:07 +0100, Christian Cornelssen wrote: > Hello, > > I have tried to get the FAQ in doc/en/faq checked ("pmake lint") and > converted to HTML ("pmake"), using several different setups: one for > Jade (default), one for OpenJade (OPENJADE=yes), and two for > xsltproc (STYLESHEET_TYPE=xsl), being fed with the output of the *sx > converter of Jade or OpenJade. Excellent feedback! i will look at these as soon as i can, as i mentioned before, our doc system was basically 'borrowed' from the FreeBSD docproj, what they have gets us *most* of the way to what we need, however a lot of is currently being redone by myself so that we have a more 'slimmed' down version. The old system is heavily tied to freebsd, my intention is to make it as portible as possible the first step which i had started on was to move all of the directory/binary definitions to a common file to enable easier editing :) I will review your changes and integ as possible, hopefully by the end of the weekend i will have a more 'sane' version of the base mkfiles. > - My ${TIDY} didn't understand the "-preserve" option in ${TIDYOPTS}. > Did you mean "--preserve"? I'm currently running the '4th August 2000' version of tidy, what are you at? Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Fri Nov 15 02:02:58 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFA2wkZ005469 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFA2wJk005468 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from Dachs.Bau (brln-d9b814d3.pool.mediaWays.net [217.184.20.211]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFA2ukZ005463 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccorn@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id 703435D92; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:04:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Dachs.Bau (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 01357F88A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:04:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:04:21 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Cornelssen X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: doc/en/faq Makefile patches In-Reply-To: <20021115094708.GA5148@tendra.org> Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hi, On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Amar Takhar wrote: > > - My ${TIDY} didn't understand the "-preserve" option in ${TIDYOPTS}. > > Did you mean "--preserve"? > > I'm currently running the '4th August 2000' version of tidy, what are you at? The same, it seems: chris@Dachs:~$ rpm -q tidy tidy-2000.08.04-114 Best regards, Christian Cornelssen From owner-tendra-docs Fri Dec 27 01:36:56 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBR9auUb060172 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gBR9auY6060171 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBR9atUb060166 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nonce@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from nonce@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gBR9asK7060165 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nonce) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:36:54 -0800 From: "Amos B. Haven" To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: FYI: reference in TDF Portability Guide Message-ID: <20021227093654.GA60095@spill.tendra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Echelon: chameleon man e-bomb crypto anarchy Ermes mindwar Legion of Doomquarter BLU-114/B embassy national information infrastructure virus afsatcom clones Ft. Meade quiche User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hi, In the document "TDF Portability Guide", section 3.2, 4th paragraph, the sentence: For example, in the "Hello world" example discussed in sections 2.1.1 and 2.1.2, the API specifies that there shall be... has a bad section reference, and should read instead: For example, in the "Hello world" example discussed in sections 1.1.1 and 1.1.2, the API specifies that there shall be... I didn't see the sgml in cvs, so I assume this is still in progress. (I mention this nit because perhaps other hardcoded references are now off-by-one?) Looks great, Amar! I'm amazed at the volume of documents and variety of supported formats. -- ABH nonce@tendra.org From owner-tendra-docs Mon Dec 30 14:23:25 2002 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBUMNPUb031855 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gBUMNPff031854 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBUMNOUb031849 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gBUMNNLk031848 for tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:23:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:23:23 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: FYI: reference in TDF Portability Guide Message-ID: <20021230222323.GA31775@tendra.org> Mail-Followup-To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org References: <20021227093654.GA60095@spill.tendra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021227093654.GA60095@spill.tendra.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On 2002-12-27 01:36 -0800, Amos B. Haven wrote: > Hi, > In the document "TDF Portability Guide", section 3.2, 4th paragraph, > the sentence: > > For example, in the "Hello world" example discussed in sections > 2.1.1 and 2.1.2, the API specifies that there shall be... > > has a bad section reference, and should read instead: > > For example, in the "Hello world" example discussed in sections > 1.1.1 and 1.1.2, the API specifies that there shall be... Yep that's part of the bad cross referencing that needs to be fixed, *all* section numbers have changed now that we have gone to sgml, they were previously static, but we can xref using SGML. After that, we'll have no worries as it will follow the section numbers dynamically as we add/remove them. > I didn't see the sgml in cvs, so I assume this is still in progress. > (I mention this nit because perhaps other hardcoded references are now > off-by-one?) Yeah, unfortunatly it is i had scripts to format it before going into cvs, which i unfortunatly deleted, i'm about 50% done re-writing them, as soon as i have completed that all the documentation will be in cvs. > Looks great, Amar! I'm amazed at the volume of documents and variety > of supported formats. Thanks!, me too, it's an immense ammount of documentation. As soon as they are all in cvs we'll have triggered autobuilding, for TXT, HTML, PDF, PDB, DVI and PS. Amar. From owner-tendra-docs Thu Feb 6 21:05:36 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1755Z8X038029 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1755ZTu038028 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:05:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from smagin.com (ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net [67.95.48.38]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1755Y8X038023 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:05:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrey@smagin.com) Received: (qmail 23676 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2003 05:05:29 -0000 Received: from commons10k1.mo24.107.32.192.charter-stl.com (HELO home.my) (24.107.32.192) by ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2003 05:05:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:05:28 -0600 From: Andrey Smagin To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: minor fixes for "doc/en/faq/book.sgml" Message-Id: <20030206230528.10e52a8e.andrey@smagin.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-openbsd3.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Here is a small patch to consider: fixes several typos; lt --> < some wording improvements. Since I currently reside in the USA, I naturally wanted to replace 'organisation' with 'organization', etc. :) I noticed that 'organisation' and 'customise' are mostly spelled with 's', but 'familiarize' - with 'z'. Also, both color and colour are used throughout the code. I think it would be better to choose one dialect of English and stick to it for the sake of consistency. Do you prefer British or American English? Best regards, Andrey P.S. Does this list allow attachments? Index: en/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /build/tendra/repository/cvs/doc/en/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 book.sgml --- en/faq/book.sgml 2 Feb 2003 22:36:42 -0000 1.5 +++ en/faq/book.sgml 7 Feb 2003 04:29:37 -0000 @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ ANDF stands for Architectural Neutral Distribution Format, - a format designed to improve portability and distribtution of + a format designed to improve portability and distribution of software. TDF stands for Ten15 Distribution Format (though it has more recently become known just as the TenDRA Distribution @@ -232,7 +232,7 @@ technology for instance. Another point of motivation is the fact that TenDRA is a BSD-licensed - compiler, which we consider an asset. Finally, everone has their + compiler, which we consider an asset. Finally, everyone has their own reasons, but the above is a fair representation of interests shared by all developers. @@ -335,14 +335,14 @@ Some understanding of how the system works is useful in trying to work around problems. The start-up files describing the - macros needed to nagivate the system headers for a particular + macros needed to navigate the system headers for a particular API are found in: src/lib/machines/<os>/<cpu>/startup/<api>.h where <os> is the operating system name, <cpu> is the CPU type, and <api> is the API name. A set of replacement system headers, which are checked before the real - system headers, are found in: - src/lib/machines/<os>/lt;cpu>/include + system headers, can be found in: + src/lib/machines/<os>/<cpu>/include. These are also used with the -Ysystem option to tcc, modifications which are specific to library building, should be enclosed in: @@ -353,11 +353,11 @@ #endif - Good places to look for inspiration on how to customise these - files for your particular system include looking to see how - I've done things in similar circumstances. Often a problem - crops up on more than one machine; I may have a workround which - works on another platform which you can steal. + A good way to look for inspiration on how to customise these + files for your particular system is to check how it was done + for other systems in similar circumstances. Often a problem crops + up on more than one machine - there may be already a workaround + implemented for another platform which you can use as a reference. If you don't intend to re-distribute the TenDRA source code you also have an option which, for copyright reasons, is not From owner-tendra-docs Thu Feb 6 22:03:17 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1763H8X039841 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1763H5O039840 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from smagin.com (ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net [67.95.48.38]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1763G8X039835 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrey@smagin.com) Received: (qmail 847 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2003 06:03:15 -0000 Received: from commons10k1.mo24.107.32.192.charter-stl.com (HELO home.my) (24.107.32.192) by ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2003 06:03:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:02:34 -0600 From: Andrey Smagin To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: diff for doc/en/diag/book.sgml Message-Id: <20030207000234.5668cbe5.andrey@smagin.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-openbsd3.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Unless I am mistaken (which is quite posssible), 'contining' should be changed to 'containing'. Added comma makes the sentence more readable (I think). Regards, Andrey Index: en/diag/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /build/tendra/repository/cvs/doc/en/diag/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 book.sgml --- en/diag/book.sgml 7 Oct 2002 10:01:55 -0000 1.1 +++ en/diag/book.sgml 7 Feb 2003 05:58:35 -0000 @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ An enumeration to be stored in an object of type base_type. If enum_name is - a string contining zero characters this signifies no source tag. + a string containing zero characters, this signifies no source tag. @@ -462,7 +462,7 @@ Describes a structure. If src_name is a string - contining zero characters this signifies no source tag for the whole + containing zero characters, this signifies no source tag for the whole structure. tdf_shape allows the total size to be computed. @@ -494,7 +494,7 @@ Describes a union. If src_name is a string - contining zero characters this signifies no source tag for the whole + containing zero characters, this signifies no source tag for the whole union. tdf_shape allows the total size to be computed. From owner-tendra-docs Thu Feb 6 22:39:36 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h176da8X040997 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:39:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h176dagP040996 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:39:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h176dZ8X040990 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 99CB565A; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:39:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:39:34 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Current docs Message-ID: <20030207063934.GT43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk The current docs in the repository need to be checked on grammar nits, bad/inconsistent formatting and the likes. There's some fixes I committed to various docs already so please see the repository through means as cvsweb or a local cvs repo. Feel free to ask questions on this forum. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.advogato.org/person/asmodai/ That's your Destiny, the only chance, take it, take it in your hands... From owner-tendra-docs Thu Feb 6 23:03:32 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1773W8X041891 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:03:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1773WZj041890 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:03:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1773V8X041885 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:03:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C4565B8; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:03:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:03:30 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: Andrey Smagin Cc: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: diff for doc/en/diag/book.sgml Message-ID: <20030207070330.GU43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: <20030207000234.5668cbe5.andrey@smagin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030207000234.5668cbe5.andrey@smagin.com> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk -On [20030207 07:39], Andrey Smagin (andrey@smagin.com) wrote: >Unless I am mistaken (which is quite posssible), >'contining' should be changed to 'containing'. Fixed. >Added comma makes the sentence more readable (I think). It doesn't unfortunately, because then you loose the implication which the rest of the sentence incurs. At least that's what I think now, I know people are too much using commas nowadays. I'll dig in some of my English resources and come back on it. ;) Thanks! -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.advogato.org/person/asmodai/ The last word in a chronicle is never set down... From owner-tendra-docs Thu Feb 6 23:17:49 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h177Hn8X042345 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h177Hn4w042344 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h177Hm8X042337 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 82B285B8; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:17:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:17:47 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: Andrey Smagin Cc: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: minor fixes for "doc/en/faq/book.sgml" Message-ID: <20030207071747.GW43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: <20030206230528.10e52a8e.andrey@smagin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206230528.10e52a8e.andrey@smagin.com> Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk -On [20030207 07:38], Andrey Smagin (andrey@smagin.com) wrote: >Here is a small patch to consider: > fixes several typos; > lt --> < > some wording improvements. Fixed. >Do you prefer British or American English? I need to look at some things wrt international English and get back to you with a documentation style guide. :) >P.S. Does this list allow attachments? It does. Committed, thanks! :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.advogato.org/person/asmodai/ The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong... From owner-tendra-docs Fri Feb 7 18:16:04 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h182G38X077135 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h182G3wM077134 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h182G08X077123; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nonce@spill.tendra.org) Received: (from nonce@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h182G0aI077122; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nonce) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:16:00 -0800 From: "Amos B. Haven" To: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai Cc: Andrey Smagin , tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: diff for doc/en/diag/book.sgml Message-ID: <20030208021600.GA76688@spill.tendra.org> References: <20030207000234.5668cbe5.andrey@smagin.com> <20030207070330.GU43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030207070330.GU43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> X-Echelon: chameleon man e-bomb crypto anarchy Ermes mindwar Legion of Doomquarter BLU-114/B embassy national information infrastructure virus afsatcom clones Ft. Meade quiche User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 08:03:30AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > -On [20030207 07:39], Andrey Smagin (andrey@smagin.com) wrote: > >Unless I am mistaken (which is quite posssible), > >'contining' should be changed to 'containing'. > > Fixed. > > >Added comma makes the sentence more readable (I think). > > It doesn't unfortunately, because then you loose the implication which > the rest of the sentence incurs. At least that's what I think now, I > know people are too much using commas nowadays. I'll dig in some of my > English resources and come back on it. ;) These are great suggestions, Andrey. Keep them coming! On the topic of commas, see: http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#5 which suggests "[d]o not join independent clauses by a comma." But then again, these documents are written by programmers for programmers. So using nested parens would be fine by me! :) -- ABH nonce@tendra.org From owner-tendra-docs Sat Feb 8 13:50:14 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18LoE8X029140 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h18LoEI2029139 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18LoC8X029132 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 74D585B8; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:50:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:50:11 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Docs regenerated Message-ID: <20030208215011.GI43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk I regenerated all the docs and put them online, both http and ftp. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.advogato.org/person/asmodai/ Atone me to my throes curtail... From owner-tendra-docs Sun Feb 9 12:42:49 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h19Kgn8X071635 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h19KgnWv071634 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (postfix@nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h19Kgm8X071629 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:42:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D32095B8; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:42:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:42:46 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: doc build stops Message-ID: <20030209204246.GN43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk For some weird reason tld, tnc, and tspec all give an error code 1 at the end of the PDF creation. I am looking into it, but if people are bored and such, feel free to look. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.advogato.org/person/asmodai/ For wouldst thou not carve at my Soul with thine sword of Supreme Truth? From owner-tendra-docs Mon Feb 10 00:15:24 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1A8FO8X095558 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1A8FOZL095557 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from smagin.com (ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net [67.95.48.38]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1A8FM8X095552 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrey@smagin.com) Received: (qmail 25112 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2003 08:15:21 -0000 Received: from commons10k1.mo24.107.32.192.charter-stl.com (HELO home.my) (24.107.32.192) by ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2003 08:15:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:14:13 -0600 From: Andrey Smagin To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Current docs Message-Id: <20030210021413.23a4e2e1.andrey@smagin.com> In-Reply-To: <20030207063934.GT43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> References: <20030207063934.GT43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-openbsd3.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:39:34 +0100 Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > The current docs in the repository need to be checked on grammar > nits, bad/inconsistent formatting and the likes. I would like to do that, little by little, unless there are any objections from the developers. > Feel free to ask questions on this forum. After looking through the documentation, I have two questions: Currently the most commonly used style in TenDRA docs and www is 2-space identation. Is it the recommended ident size? Looking at the original version of pmake tutorial (which I found on my own hard drive - doh! :) ) and new .sgml version, I noticed that some of the formatting elements were lost - was it done on purpose, to simplify the text? What if I add the missing elements, such as pmake -f blah, *.c, -f, { ? -- Andrey P.S. Jeroen, Amos - thanks for the timely commits of my small patches - easier to work when my tree is in sync with the repository. From owner-tendra-docs Mon Feb 10 18:04:56 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B24u8X036848 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B24uWC036847 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: from smagin.com (ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net [67.95.48.38]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1B24t8X036842 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrey@smagin.com) Received: (qmail 4451 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2003 02:04:54 -0000 Received: from commons10k1.mo24.107.32.192.charter-stl.com (HELO compaq.my) (24.107.32.192) by ip67-95-48-38.z48-95-67.customer.algx.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2003 02:04:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:05:38 -0600 From: Andrey Smagin To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: Re: Current docs Message-Id: <20030210200539.214f6cfd.andrey@smagin.com> In-Reply-To: <20030210021413.23a4e2e1.andrey@smagin.com> References: <20030207063934.GT43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <20030210021413.23a4e2e1.andrey@smagin.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-openbsd3.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk > Currently the most commonly used style in TenDRA docs and www is > 2-space identation. Is it the recommended ident size? s/ident/indent/ ident-indent-intend-inetd... grr.. hate those words :) From owner-tendra-docs Wed Jun 4 07:26:16 2003 Received: from spill.tendra.org (localhost.tendra.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h54EQGVw007068 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h54EQGlw007067 for tendra-docs-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: spill.tendra.org: majordom set sender to owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org using -f Received: from mx1.dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr (mx1.dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr [138.231.33.2]) by spill.tendra.org (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h54EQFVw007062 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from santugi@dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr) Received: (qmail 9741 invoked by uid 407); 4 Jun 2003 14:26:10 -0000 Received: from ssh1.dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr ([138.231.33.10]) (envelope-sender ) by mx1.dptmaths.ens-cachan.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jun 2003 14:26:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:57:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Kevin Santugini To: tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Subject: SID design Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.tendra.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have found the original article on sid transformations. It was written by J.M Foster in 1968. It seems to be available free of charge for personnal viewing. Alas only in TIFF format Link is http://www3.oup.co.uk/jnls/list/computer_journal/hdb/Volume_11/Issue_01/110031.sgm.abs.html Commentary on sid is available in an article from T.Komor 1974. The link is http://www3.oup.co.uk/jnls/list/computer_journal/hdb/Volume_17/Issue_03/170242.sgm.abs.html I haven't read any of them Kevin Santugini From owner-docs Mon Dec 29 23:12:17 2003 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBU7CGbV094976 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBU7CGCO094975 for docs-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBU7CGbV094969 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBU7CGCw094968; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: New: Bug/14 docs/tdfc - Out of date entry X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo Message-ID: <20031229231216.14.tendra@evilcode.net> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 Summary: Out of date entry Product: docs Version: HEAD Platform: All URL: http://www.ten15.org/docs/tdfc/#AEN769 OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P5 Component: tdfc AssignedTo: docs@lists.ten15.org ReportedBy: tendra@evilcode.net Entry states that 'long long' is unsupported by the ISO C Standard, but neglects to specify a version. 'long long' support became standard with C99. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Mon Dec 29 23:13:38 2003 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBU7DcbV095005 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBU7Dcrk095003 for docs-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBU7DcbV094998 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBU7Dc2e094997; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200312300713.hBU7Dc2e094997@spill.ten15.org> From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: Bug/14 docs/tdfc - Out of date entry (long long / C99) X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo In-Reply-To: <20031229231216.14.tendra@evilcode.net> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 tendra@evilcode.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Out of date entry |Out of date entry (long long | |/ C99) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Sun Jan 4 17:55:54 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i051tsbV006652 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i051tsql006650 for docs-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i051tsbV006644 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i051tsaw006643; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: New: Bug/20 docs/tdfc - long long should be documented as being part of C99 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo Message-ID: <20040104175553.20.chopra@ten15.org> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 Summary: long long should be documented as being part of C99 Product: docs Version: HEAD Platform: All URL: http://www.ten15.org/docs/tdfc/#AEN769 OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P5 Component: tdfc AssignedTo: docs@lists.ten15.org ReportedBy: chopra@ten15.org "Although the use of long long to specify a 64 bit integer type is not supported by the ISO C standard it is becoming increasingly popular as in programming use." This needs to be updated. Pointed out by Stuart J. Gratham (sjg) on IRC. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Wed Jan 7 16:31:17 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i080VHbV093546 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i080VHjL093544 for docs-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i080VHbV093538 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i080VHKG093537; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401080031.i080VHKG093537@spill.ten15.org> From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: Bug/20 docs/tdfc - long long should be documented as being part of C99 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo In-Reply-To: <20040104175553.20.chopra@ten15.org> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 chopra@ten15.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE ------- Additional Comments From chopra@ten15.org 2004-07-01 16:31 ------- Missed previous bug 14. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 14 *** -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Wed Jan 7 16:31:18 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i080VIbV093557 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i080VIK8093556 for docs-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i080VIbV093550 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i080VIUJ093549; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401080031.i080VIUJ093549@spill.ten15.org> From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: Bug/14 docs/tdfc - Out of date entry (long long / C99) X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo In-Reply-To: <20031229231216.14.tendra@evilcode.net> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 chopra@ten15.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |chopra@ten15.org ------- Additional Comments From chopra@ten15.org 2004-07-01 16:31 ------- *** Bug 20 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Sat Jan 10 17:46:49 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0B1knbV086717 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0B1knTs086716 for docs-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from nocmailsvc001.allthesites.org (host201.cisp.cc [65.196.203.201]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0B1knbV086711 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@faradayco.com) Received: from faradayco.com (unverified [207.224.221.52]) by copper.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:46:38 +0000 Message-ID: <4000AC9C.EEF2B867@faradayco.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:53:32 -0700 From: Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docs@ten15.org Subject: How to install snapshot? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk Dear kind friends, Regarding the latest development snapshots (using bmake): I really appreciate all of the work you have done so far with this site and with Tendra. It would really be nice however if you gave a brief description somewhere (where we could find it) stepping through how one sets up to do a build. I've downloaded everything and have spent an hour now trying to figure out what does what. Just a simple summary of what to do first, what gets generated, what to do with that, etc. would be GREATLY appreciated! Incidently, if you happen to see this email anytime soon, and happen to know the answer, can you tell me if I should be able to build this ON (not for) a cygwin platform? Signed, A Linux Non Guru From owner-docs Sat Jan 10 20:18:22 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0B4ILbV094381 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0B4ILa5094380 for docs-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0B4IKbV094375; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from verm@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0B4IKXs094374; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verm) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:20 -0800 From: Amar Takhar To: Johnson Cc: docs@ten15.org Subject: Re: How to install snapshot? Message-ID: <20040111041820.GA94290@ten15.org> References: <4000AC9C.EEF2B867@faradayco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4000AC9C.EEF2B867@faradayco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk On 2004-01-10 18:53 -0700, Johnson wrote: > Dear kind friends, > Regarding the latest development snapshots (using bmake): > > I really appreciate all of the work you have done so far with > this site and with Tendra. It would really be nice however if > you gave a brief description somewhere (where we could find it) > stepping through how one sets up to do a build. I've downloaded > everything and have spent an hour now trying to figure out what > does what. Just a simple summary of what to do first, what gets > generated, what to do with that, etc. would be GREATLY > appreciated! Hmm, i'll actually ge started on something very basic for this. But currently the build process is extremely simple! 1, extract both arhives 2, build bmake (make -f Makefile.) 3, run /path/to/bmake -r in the tendra base directory 4, run /path/to/bmake -r 5, wait for it to build 6, make sure your PREFIX in config.mk is to where you want it 7, /path/to/bmake -r install enjoy! You can also install tendra to whatever PREFIX you want, then execute the scripts installed into bin/ they correctly find the locations to the toolchain (handy if you don't want to 'clutter' your local directory) If there isn't a target send patches. Check the lists to see if we're working on it. If you belive you've found a bug, submit a report following the guidelines off the main page :) > Incidently, if you happen to see this email anytime soon, and > happen to know the answer, can you tell me if I should be able to > build this ON (not for) a cygwin platform? I belive so!, I havn't tried this myself, but give it a whirl see what your luck is. Don't be afraid to submit patches, or file bug reports if you belive you have found a real problem. Amar. From owner-docs Sat Jan 24 13:25:01 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0OLP1bV056910 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0OLP15s056903 for docs-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0OLP0bV056886 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@spill.ten15.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0OLP0x7056885; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401242125.i0OLP0x7056885@spill.ten15.org> From: TenDRA Bugzilla To: docs@lists.ten15.org Subject: Bug/20 docs/tdfc - long long should be documented as being part of C99 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo In-Reply-To: <20040104175553.20.chopra@ten15.org> Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk http://bugs.ten15.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 verm@ten15.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED ------- Additional Comments From verm@ten15.org 2004-24-01 13:25 ------- Close this bug, it's a duplicate of bug 14 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.ten15.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. From owner-docs Wed Jun 16 14:38:36 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GLcabV041547 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i5GLca3s041546 for docs-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from janeway.weblabbet.se (gulins.infracom.se [193.201.97.30]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id i5GLcVbV041541 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@hobbit.se) Received: (qmail 13144 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 21:28:09 -0000 Received: from as2-6-8.sp.m.bonet.se (HELO neuromancer) (194.236.106.236) by 192.168.12.11 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 21:28:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:41:53 +0200 From: Daniel Gustafson To: docs@ten15.org Subject: Error in tdfc2.1 ? Message-Id: <20040616234153.393cbde3.daniel@hobbit.se> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Wed__16_Jun_2004_23:41:53_+0200_087f4a00" Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart_Wed__16_Jun_2004_23:41:53_+0200_087f4a00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following line seems a bit odd in the tdfc2 manpage: The \fB-Yc++\fR option is required to enable the C capabilities. Shouldnt it read like this?: -The \fB-Yc++\fR option is required to enable the C capabilities. +The \fB-Yc++\fR option is required to enable the C++ capabilities. Above attached as patch. ./dege -- Daniel "DeGe" Gustafson - daniel@hobbit.se - CS Student, Mah Sweden -- "The idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas N Adams -- --Multipart_Wed__16_Jun_2004_23:41:53_+0200_087f4a00 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="tdfc2-man-c++.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tdfc2-man-c++.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tIHNyYy5vcmcvbWFuL3Byb2R1Y2Vycy90ZGZjMi4xCU1vbiBBdWcgMjUgMDc6MzI6NDUgMjAw MworKysgc3JjL21hbi9wcm9kdWNlcnMvdGRmYzIuMQlUdWUgSnVuIDE1IDIxOjM3OjM0IDIwMDQK QEAgLTU3LDcgKzU3LDcgQEAKIHBoYXNlIGlzIHdyaXR0ZW4gdG8gdGhlIFRERiBjYXBzdWxlLCBc ZklvdXRwdXQtZmlsZVxmUi4KIC5QUAogSXQgaXMgcmVjb21tZW5kZWQgdGhhdCBcZkJ0ZGZjMlxm UiBpcyBpbnZva2VkIHZpYSBcZkl0Y2NcZlIoMSkuCi1UaGUgXGZCLVljKytcZlIgb3B0aW9uIGlz IHJlcXVpcmVkIHRvIGVuYWJsZSB0aGUgQyBjYXBhYmlsaXRpZXMuCitUaGUgXGZCLVljKytcZlIg b3B0aW9uIGlzIHJlcXVpcmVkIHRvIGVuYWJsZSB0aGUgQysrIGNhcGFiaWxpdGllcy4KIEZpbGVz IHdpdGggYSBcZkIuY1xmUiBzdWZmaXggYXJlIHJlY29nbmlzZWQgYXMgQyBzb3VyY2UgZmlsZXMu CiBPcHRpb25zIGNhbiBiZSBwYXNzZWQgZGlyZWN0bHkgdG8gXGZCdGRmYzJcZlIgdXNpbmcgdGhl CiBcZkItV2MsXGZJb3B0XGZSIG9wdGlvbiB0byBcZkl0Y2NcZlIuCg== --Multipart_Wed__16_Jun_2004_23:41:53_+0200_087f4a00-- From owner-docs Sat Jun 19 15:10:54 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5JMAsbV069658 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i5JMAsRu069657 for docs-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from mail.gbg.bostream.net (mail.gbg.bostream.net [81.26.226.10]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5JMAqbV069652 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@hobbit.se) Received: from thistledown (as2-6-8.sp.m.bonet.se [194.236.106.236]) by mail.gbg.bostream.net (8.12.11/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5JMAoj5018126 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:10:50 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:14:19 +0200 From: Daniel Gustafson To: docs@ten15.org Subject: tcpplus.1 reference bug Message-Id: <20040620001419.0805b82f@thistledown> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart=_Sun__20_Jun_2004_00_14_19_+0200_uIXCedMbKx0=Tqyc" Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart=_Sun__20_Jun_2004_00_14_19_+0200_uIXCedMbKx0=Tqyc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The SEE ALSO reference on the tcpplus manpage refers to tdfc(1) instead of tdfc2(1) which seems slightly wrong. Attached patch remedies this. ./dege -- Daniel "DeGe" Gustafson - daniel@hobbit.se - CS Student, Mah Sweden -- "The idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas N Adams -- --Multipart=_Sun__20_Jun_2004_00_14_19_+0200_uIXCedMbKx0=Tqyc Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ten15-tccplus.1-ref.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ten15-tccplus.1-ref.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tIHRjcHBsdXMuMS5vcmcJU3VuIEp1biAyMCAwMDowMzo1NCAyMDA0CisrKyB0Y3BwbHVzLjEJ U3VuIEp1biAyMCAwMDowNDowNSAyMDA0CkBAIC0yMDksNSArMjA5LDUgQEAKIGlzIHVuZGVmaW5l ZC4gIFRoaXMgaXMgZXF1aXZhbGVudCB0byBcZkItbXpcZlIuCiAuXCIgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQog LlNIIFNFRSBBTFNPCi1cZkl0Y2NcZlIoMSksIFxmSXRkZmNcZlIoMSkuCitcZkl0Y2NcZlIoMSks IFxmSXRkZmMyXGZSKDEpLgogLlwiIC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0K --Multipart=_Sun__20_Jun_2004_00_14_19_+0200_uIXCedMbKx0=Tqyc-- From owner-docs Wed Aug 11 10:29:06 2004 Received: from spill.ten15.org (localhost.ten15.org [127.0.0.1]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BHT6bV032407 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i7BHT6jE032406 for docs-outgoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org) Received: from ada-ru.org ([213.154.196.102]) by spill.ten15.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BHT4bV032401 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reznikmm@front.ru) Received: (qmail 1580 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 20:28:57 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO ws.max.zp.ua) (172.22.1.2) by 172.22.1.1 with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 20:28:57 +0300 Received: (qmail 15380 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Aug 2004 20:29:03 +0300 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:29:03 +0300 From: Maxim Reznik To: docs@ten15.org Subject: Diag specification Message-ID: <20040811172903.GB14876@ws.max.zp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: owner-tendra-docs@lists.ten15.org Precedence: bulk Hi! It seems there is more recent documentation for diagnostic constructions used in TenDRA now. Current http://www.ten15.org/docs/diag/ based on "TDF Debug Extensions for TDF 3.0" and describes diag constructs for TDF 4.0 specification. But TenDRA uses TDF 4.1 spec, which includes new diags constructs. They are described in "TDF Debug Extensions Version 1.10 for latest TDF 4.1" (short version) and "TDF Debug TDF2DWARF Format" (full version) documents, which could be found at http://www.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/~andf/downloads.htm "The complete Debug package", includes both above mentioned documents and def.db with machine readable representation. It would be nice to update diag documentation. Is it possible? -- Maxim Reznik